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Default Re: Beat Making As A Future - 05-10-2008, 01:03 AM

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believe in yourself and follow your dreams...Most producers that are big today have sacrificed a lot to get where they at today
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Default Re: Beat Making As A Future - 05-10-2008, 03:29 AM

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warnin'. wall of text. i always type too much.

people who start their own business don't quit their full time jobs until they own business brings in more income then their full time jobs.

it is the same with music. i won't quit my full time job unless i'm makin' more money in the music business.

as for my passion. i disagree with you. i believe that ppl who do it for the love of the art make better music than those who who do it for the money. money always fuck up the art form. just look at southpark and the simpsons. the early seasons are always better than the new seasons that are on tv now. they lose their "magic" once they start makin' them just for a paycheck.

and you can tell by my typin' that you but more dedication, time, effort and sacrifice into your music???

sorry but i'm one of those people who want to make 100k a year so that i can go buy some motifs, fantoms, korgs, mpc's (i don't like mpc's but my friend got one. i was wrong about it from the net), tr-808's (a classic), andromeda, access virus, i want it all.

i can't afford hardware if i'm makin' 20k a year.

sorry, but i think i have more passion than anybody here. no disrepect but i'm conceited when it comes to my music. i really think that i'm best out there and i'm just not happy to be usin' hacked software all the time. yea, i've gotten alot of software from cp and torrents but some people want something better. just not the free things in life.

now then. i am not a yes man. while everybody else is sayin' "hell yea, go for it". i'm like fuck that shit. i'll rather be real with someone and tell them that they will probably never make it in the music business. so it's better to have a PLAN B in case they don't make. that's plan B (in other words music is PLAN A).

now while i'm sayin' all this shit. i'm still networkin my way into the music business. i already have the email of a producer who has done beats for no limit and other new orleans rappers. i also have the email of a local houston producer who emails me his completed songs and ask for my opinion on them. one day i'll email him my beats and ask his opinion on them (so, that i can sneak in askin' him about some networkin' contacts) i also have a email of another grammy winnin' rapper from houston, tx. but that email is courtesy of the hip hop group that i am with (see my sig for the links). in fact, he get my email spammed when he sent me the link for one of his mixtapes (i had gmail and it was spam free until the recipents startin' spammin' all of the emails that they could see on his mass email). but it was that same mass email where the producer from houston saw my email address and started emailin' me his songs.

so, i'm still workin' my way into the business. networkin' will always take you farther in life.

my grandfather once told me that it is "who you know" and not "what you know". so i'm not concerned with bein' famous on the internet while all of the major and major independent labels are ignorant of me.

in fact, i was at the Guitar Center i was talkin' to a guy who owns a motif xs. some good advice that he gave me was to attend the producer's seminars 'cause all of the major producers in the music industry attend them. you can talk to the producers and network your way into the industry there.

so i'll repeat it. networkin' is what will get you into the industry. not stayin' in the house all day makin' beats. who cares if you spend 24/7/365 workin' on your music and you spend no time networkin'. i had the ex-producer from no limit tell me to email him some beats but all of my beats are on my friend's korg triton le. and it makes no sense to send him my fl v3 beats (the samples sucks). so i'd rather wait for my friend to get a pc, send him some fire (after addin' some accepellas to the beat to make sure that he doesn't steal my shit) and see if he'll actually help me get into the industry (he posted a bulletin on myspace tellin' producers that he can help them out).

so network. i'm one of those ppl who didn't practice my trumpet except in class, i'm the student who didn't practice my piano musicexcept in class, i'm that student who skipped class in college and never studied until test time... and i'll would still get A's and B's. and all of the students who put in 50x more work than me still couldn't get a higher test score than me. remember, i'm conceited when it comes to music and i still think that i can do better than you while puttin' in less time than you.

and while i'm not in the game for the money, my askin' price for my beats are expensive. i want a $500 advance plus my royalties for any beats that anybody wants to buy (i already have ppl on myspace emailin' me about beats and i don't even have my beats on myspace. my groups mixtape songs are on my myspace). but once i get a job for 30k-40k and i start bringin' in 1k paychecks (in other words i can buy a motif or fantom with only 3 paychecks), my price will increase to $1k plus my royalties. sorry, i've always wanted a lamborghini since i was a kid and no job on earth will pay me enough to buy one. so i'm in the music game just as much as everybody else.

but i'm not goin' to tell somebody to make 10k-20k a year, stay poor, stay in the projects, stay in the mother's house, turn 60 and still live in an apartment instead of havin' paid off a mortgage for a house... all as a sacrifice to try to make it into the music industry.

make you money by any means necessary. go to school, go be a construction worker (they make GOOD money with no college education and you have no chance that your job will be sent overseas), go do something that will let you live comfortable. and then when you do make it into the industry, you can quit your job. don't quit your job before you make it and you live on welfare. ppl like justin (a.k.a. republicans. and no disrespect Justin, i'm just usin' your political posts as an example) will not hesitate to get rid of the welfare system.

i believe in work SMARTER, not work HARDER. thos ppl who are worth billions of dollars are always there to take advantage of those who are willin' to work hard for peanuts. sorry, no disrespect but 90% of the ppl in the industry have signed bad contracts just to make it into the industry. and i refuse to sign away my money to some multi-million dollar corporation and make no money from my album sales (an advance is a loan and you must make the same amount of money back in royalties before you receive any royalties. most ppl NEVER even break even in the amount of royalties that they earn). dont' believe me, i already told you what books to go and borrow or buy and read.

i'm still waitin' for somebody on the forum to make it in the music industry. like i said before, it's about networkin'. better hurry 'cause i'm tryin' to make it before you...

you really don't know me from what i type. what i tell others what they should do and what i do is opposite. i won't tell somebody to take the hard path and then they blame when when they fail. it's not my fault. i told you to have a plan B.




Dude I read like half your post...

You're talkin to me assumin I know nothin about the music bizz....

Well Im not much for pissin matches so Im not gonna list everything Im workin on/have worked on and all of the people I know threw networkin. In case you didnt read but half of one of my earlier posts...I did go to school.

Lets jus say Im handlin mine.

You can know everything in the world and not do a thing. You have to have a true desire. Some people jus have more than others....


And Im not saying you have to live like a bum to truly love music....but with big money jobs comes big money time....for most people. So you plan on workin with Jay Z when hes like what....70???

Fact o' the matter is you jus flat out cant put in as much time with a big payin job.........its jus a lifestyle choice really.....

AND WHO KNOWS.....maybe one day Ill end up gettin a nice job (threw networkin) that I could do full time and still pertain to what I really have a passion for....................like audio engineering.


I guess then Id be ready to switch up my lifestyle.......ha ha


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Default Re: Beat Making As A Future - 05-10-2008, 03:35 AM

"So you plan on workin with Jay Z when hes like what....70???" LOL!!!!
  
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Default Re: Beat Making As A Future - 06-10-2008, 02:34 AM

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Dude I read like half your post...

You're talkin to me assumin I know nothin about the music bizz....

Well Im not much for pissin matches so Im not gonna list everything Im workin on/have worked on and all of the people I know threw networkin. In case you didnt read but half of one of my earlier posts...I did go to school.

Lets jus say Im handlin mine.

You can know everything in the world and not do a thing. You have to have a true desire. Some people jus have more than others....


And Im not saying you have to live like a bum to truly love music....but with big money jobs comes big money time....for most people. So you plan on workin with Jay Z when hes like what....70???

Fact o' the matter is you jus flat out cant put in as much time with a big payin job.........its jus a lifestyle choice really.....

AND WHO KNOWS.....maybe one day Ill end up gettin a nice job (threw networkin) that I could do full time and still pertain to what I really have a passion for....................like audio engineering.


I guess then Id be ready to switch up my lifestyle.......ha ha


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no, this ain't a pissin match. did you not say that
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Im sorry but people who are serious....or hungry..they tend to put a little more time/dedication/scrifice then people that do it for the "luv".
this has nothin' to do with school or no school. but sayin' ppl who do it for the money put more "time/dedication/scrifice" into music than those who do it for the love is entirely not true.

you seriously do not know how much "time/dedication/scrifice" i put into my music. so there is no need to talk down to somebody 'cause they said "i do this this for the love of it". there are plenty of ppl who love their jobs and they have no desire to do their jobs for free.

i seriously was NOT flamin' you so don't take it personally.

i bring up networkin' 'cause NOBODY else had mentioned it yet in this thread.

did i say that you know nothin' about the music business? no, go back and read my post. just because i quoted you doesn't mean that everything was directed to you.

some of the stuff is for the newbs who don't make any posts. they are still readin' this thread. this thread has 191 views and 33 replies. not everybody who is readin' this thread has posted their opinion. if it doesn't pertain to you, then it is not directed to you.

ppl are to thin skinned on the net.

all my words are directed at somebody. i really don't need to type out "this is directed at the ppl who know nothin' about the music industry and not the person who i quoted" after each paragraph. no disrespect but i really thought that you would just figure this out on your own. i am simply expressin' my opinion and if i happen to type out a 2 page letter then that is really nothin' to me. i already know that 99% of the ppl won't read my shit.

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there's one thing i hate that people tend to say regularly..for example if your new to whatever it can be painting,music,poetry
whatever you do and people say to you give up stop dreaming and more or less laugh at you and ive seen that before its even happend to me, how can you be good at something if youve never done it u arent born knowning u need pratice and dedication so it really anoys me hearing people say that cuz it does bring ur confedience and enthusiams down and this aint no fantasy bullshit i truly know that if you want to be someone or get something u will except in love and all that u cant do anything atal do make a person love u but i tink everytings possible if u want it and i want to beat make and be known in ireland and i kno i will cuz im stil very average at beats but i spend all my free time making beats every minute im free im makin beats cuz i want to be a known beat maker and i was jus sayin to a cp peep earlier that wen i luk bak at my 1st beat which i was coping from an original beat it was bad bad and now after a few months ive developed creativity towards beats and make my own and im far beter since my 1st and if i keep going and going im gona get better and better and ders no limit in being better so u reach a point that ur higher than everyone else and u still keep gettin better dats if ur more dedicated than everybody else and thats wen u wake up one morning and realise im someone in life because youve followed a dream when no1 had faith in you and now there all stil the same and youre tha shit and thats what im going to do and lookee has a valid point aswell
yea. i feel you on that. i wasn't tryin' to discourage you. i sometimes try to scare away ppl who are in it just for the money 'cause i think that they are the reason why the majority of music on the radio suxs today (soulja boy, anybody?!?); and the reason why some many rappers want free beats.
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ok so lets rape the producers/dj's who put these rappers on???
yall can pay people to rap on your beats. thats like a prostitute paying a john for sex
Producers paying artists to get on their beats???

music is my artform so i take it very seriously. this includes ppl who sellin' dirt cheap beats (no disrespect to anybody who gives away free beats) and makin' it hard for us producers who are tryin' to be the best in the industry, not make a quick buck 'cause they downloaded fl studio for free.

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Default Re: Beat Making As A Future - 08-10-2008, 03:24 PM

I wasnt tryin to imply that anyone who isnt in it for the money doesnt "put in" on their craft. But usually people that have something to GAIN tend to put a little more effort into "making it".

What do you have to gain if youre jus doin it to do it?


I feel like a good analogy would be this- How hard would you try at your current day job if you werent getting paid? Probably not that hard lol.

Theres nothing wrong wit makin music jus because you like it. But this thread was originally supposed to be about music as a career. Careers usually involve money.

You have to really have a desire to "make it" if you want to do this as a proffession, Jus like anything else.


And so there arent any hard feelins....Im gonna end by saying...

Youre avatar is FREAKY! I did a double take ha ha. It cool though once you get past the creepy part....lol


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Default Re: Beat Making As A Future - 09-10-2008, 12:48 AM

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I wasnt tryin to imply that anyone who isnt in it for the money doesnt "put in" on their craft. But usually people that have something to GAIN tend to put a little more effort into "making it".

What do you have to gain if youre jus doin it to do it?


I feel like a good analogy would be this- How hard would you try at your current day job if you werent getting paid? Probably not that hard lol.

Theres nothing wrong wit makin music jus because you like it. But this thread was originally supposed to be about music as a career. Careers usually involve money.

You have to really have a desire to "make it" if you want to do this as a proffession, Jus like anything else.


And so there arent any hard feelins....Im gonna end by saying...

Youre avatar is FREAKY! I did a double take ha ha. It cool though once you get past the creepy part....lol


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i'm in it for the money as the next person. i can tell you from experience that i've had my college degree since 2005 but nobody wants to pay me anything above $15k-$20. but i really didn't want to go into my beliefs that college is a waste when we can go to the library and learn the same thing and save thousands of dollar (that's another thread). so, that is one motivation why i'm still tryin' to make it into the music industry.

the free thing can go both ways. i did vocal mixin' for my group for free. this was me just tryin' to "earn" my way into the group. and i hope that they repay me back in the future by buyin' me beats (i'm savin' my beats just for them. there's also the fact the we have no pc to hook the keyboard up to anyways and sell the beats to somebody else on the net, lol). lots of college students did free internships in the hope to get hired on later on. this was something that i didn't do 'cause i had bills to pay and i couldn't be a "free worker" to some major corporation who could actually afford to pay me but were just tryin' to get some free work done by desperate college students.

anyways. for me, i have to be in it for the love first and not the money or i really believe that my beats will lose their "magic". i look at beats done by beats by the pound and mannie fresh before and after they went national and mainstream. their beats just weren't as "good" to me as their earlier underground beats. these weaker beats also correspond to the time when all of their fans startin' sayin' that their new albums "suck" and their record sales dropped by alot too. that's just my way of seein' things.
  
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