Beat Making As A Future

You can get a degree in Audio Engineering or Musical Composition. I think that's as close as you'll get to an actual "producer's degree".

and what duya do in audio engineering and musical compostion?

Audio Engineering, from my understanding, goes into sound theory, mixing, and such. Audio Engineers can get jobs in the music industry, for video game companies, and for television stations to name a few.

Musical Composition goes into writing music, understanding notes, and all of that great stuff.

audio engineers get paid alot. just make sure that you get an associates or a bachelors degree in audio engineering. you may have to move to find a job tho'. my friend went to full sail (it was $30k at the time) and got his associates. but my city is not big on hiring audio engineers (or anybody else with something beyond a high school degree 'cause they want to hire ppl for $20k a year and less). you may have to move to LA, NYC or some other major city where audio engineers make $40k-$100k (i'm guessin' on how much they make, i really don't know).

alright na i wudnt move den lol i live in ireland i woulda loved to live in america tho i love wat i hear about it lol just i havnt got nothing over there and ive got a phobia for planes so ya kno LOL

What everone is saying about school is good advice...however, I agree that its not for everyone.

You CAN make a decent living w/o an education past HS but you wont be sitting in an office or anything. Its all in what your willing to do.

My thing is that to be successful at ANYTHING you have to put in 110%. You want to own your own business? Be preppared to invest all your time to it. You want to go to lawschool/med school to be a lawyer/doctor? Be preppared to invest all your time into it. You want to make lots of money in realestate? Be preparred to invest all your time into it.

You want to produce music? Be preppared to invest all your time into it.

Work a full time job thats unrealated (directly) to what you REALLY have a passion for, and your passion suddenly becomes a hobby. One of my instructors at audio engineering school once told me that if your not making enough money to at least make a living then its a hobby....not a job.

And understandably, especially with the economy in the US today, a lot of people are having to put there true job passions on the backburner in order to pay the rent/eat. I've got friends that went to 4yr+ colleges right out of HS that are out now working wherever they can find work. Bachlor's in marketing now working at 7-eleven...4yr business degree now trying his hand in real estate.


Everyones situation is different too. For ex.- Im lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it) enough to still be able to live at home right now, which helps me financially. I can have a job making LESS than 20k and devote a lot more time to perfect my craft. No I wont have a nice car or lts of money to throw away every weekend (like I did before I went to school), but thats the price Im willing to pay until Ive paid my dues.


And jfyi, being successful in audio engineering is about as hard as being a successful producer. Regardless of which school you go to, EVERYONE wants you to have job experience. You can go ahead and plan on working for free or extremely little as an intern (if youre lucky enough to find a studio willing to take one on or needing one) for at least a couple of years. Some people intern for 4-5yrs+ before even getting to sit in on a session.


Whatever you decide to do you have to be willing to put in 110% and sacrifice.


Peace, Jon

good advice jon

Thats wat ive been trying to tell them jon.I thought I was the only one

haha ur both right lads

this is all true but i would have to disagree with the hobby versus profession standpoint. i NEVER started makin' beats 'cause i wanted to get rich. i started makin' beats 'cause i LOVE this shit. so, if i make money then this is a plus. but it doesn't mean that i put less into my beats than somebody else who lives with their parents makin' less than 20k while they put all of their time into makin beats (no disrespect to anybody... i still live at home makin' less than 20k and i have a college degree. and i can tell you that the shit about "experience, experience, experience" is true. but i was into makin' beats in college and not internin' [aka workin' for free. fuck that shit, i have to pay me]. i'll be out the house soon tho'. sometimes you gotta tell the employer what they want to hear and learn everything on the job. just don't get caught).

one last thing. you can't be serious about the music industry if you haven't read these books (i own both of them). don't let the industry fuck you over.
Confessions of a Record Producer: How to Survive the Scams and Shams of the Music Business by Moses Avalon
Amazon
All You Need To Know About the Music Business by Donald S. Passman
Amazon
and one last thing. success in the music industry is all about connections (who you know), not your talent. just go to soundclick or myspace and look at all of the talent there. you need to network to be successful and hope that you get lucky.

imho, opinion. artists have historically been poor and i refuse to be a poor artist. money first (i've always wanted my own label like no limit and cash money anyways. fuck signin' a fuck up record contract with a major label so that they can steal money from me [in other words, read those books so that you don't get fucked over in the game])...

im goin past the "luv" of it.

Im sorry but people who are serious....or hungry..they tend to put a little more time/dedication/scrifice then people that do it for the "luv".

Now, havin said that...no disrespect. I love it too...but I want to "get rich" off of producin more than say....sombody like you. I can tell by the way your typin...............you dont have that deep drive/desire to make somethin of your music. You do it because you like it and if people here it...hey cool.......if you can make a few bucks...hey cool.

My grandfather once told me that you can make all the music in the world...but if no one ever hears it, it doesnt matter. Now granted thats kinda an extreme statement for most people imo, it does keep me motivated every day.

You have to have a deep passion...beyond just doin it cause its fun and you enjoy it....you have to have dedication, motivation, sacrifice...and even then you still might not make it...........


But for people like me.....we have to try.....



Peace, J

Hells Yea!

very deep and thanks for tha links will read

warnin'. wall of text. i always type too much.

people who start their own business don't quit their full time jobs until they own business brings in more income then their full time jobs.

it is the same with music. i won't quit my full time job unless i'm makin' more money in the music business.

as for my passion. i disagree with you. i believe that ppl who do it for the love of the art make better music than those who who do it for the money. money always fuck up the art form. just look at southpark and the simpsons. the early seasons are always better than the new seasons that are on tv now. they lose their "magic" once they start makin' them just for a paycheck.

and you can tell by my typin' that you but more dedication, time, effort and sacrifice into your music???

sorry but i'm one of those people who want to make 100k a year so that i can go buy some motifs, fantoms, korgs, mpc's (i don't like mpc's but my friend got one. i was wrong about it from the net), tr-808's (a classic), andromeda, access virus, i want it all.

i can't afford hardware if i'm makin' 20k a year.

sorry, but i think i have more passion than anybody here. no disrepect but i'm conceited when it comes to my music. i really think that i'm best out there and i'm just not happy to be usin' hacked software all the time. yea, i've gotten alot of software from cp and torrents but some people want something better. just not the free things in life.

now then. i am not a yes man. while everybody else is sayin' "hell yea, go for it". i'm like fuck that shit. i'll rather be real with someone and tell them that they will probably never make it in the music business. so it's better to have a PLAN B in case they don't make. that's plan B (in other words music is PLAN A).

now while i'm sayin' all this shit. i'm still networkin my way into the music business. i already have the email of a producer who has done beats for no limit and other new orleans rappers. i also have the email of a local houston producer who emails me his completed songs and ask for my opinion on them. one day i'll email him my beats and ask his opinion on them (so, that i can sneak in askin' him about some networkin' contacts) i also have a email of another grammy winnin' rapper from houston, tx. but that email is courtesy of the hip hop group that i am with (see my sig for the links). in fact, he get my email spammed when he sent me the link for one of his mixtapes (i had gmail and it was spam free until the recipents startin' spammin' all of the emails that they could see on his mass email). but it was that same mass email where the producer from houston saw my email address and started emailin' me his songs.

so, i'm still workin' my way into the business. networkin' will always take you farther in life.

my grandfather once told me that it is "who you know" and not "what you know". so i'm not concerned with bein' famous on the internet while all of the major and major independent labels are ignorant of me.

in fact, i was at the Guitar Center i was talkin' to a guy who owns a motif xs. some good advice that he gave me was to attend the producer's seminars 'cause all of the major producers in the music industry attend them. you can talk to the producers and network your way into the industry there.

so i'll repeat it. networkin' is what will get you into the industry. not stayin' in the house all day makin' beats. who cares if you spend 24/7/365 workin' on your music and you spend no time networkin'. i had the ex-producer from no limit tell me to email him some beats but all of my beats are on my friend's korg triton le. and it makes no sense to send him my fl v3 beats (the samples sucks). so i'd rather wait for my friend to get a pc, send him some fire (after addin' some accepellas to the beat to make sure that he doesn't steal my shit) and see if he'll actually help me get into the industry (he posted a bulletin on myspace tellin' producers that he can help them out).

so network. i'm one of those ppl who didn't practice my trumpet except in class, i'm the student who didn't practice my piano musicexcept in class, i'm that student who skipped class in college and never studied until test time... and i'll would still get A's and B's. and all of the students who put in 50x more work than me still couldn't get a higher test score than me. remember, i'm conceited when it comes to music and i still think that i can do better than you while puttin' in less time than you.

and while i'm not in the game for the money, my askin' price for my beats are expensive. i want a $500 advance plus my royalties for any beats that anybody wants to buy (i already have ppl on myspace emailin' me about beats and i don't even have my beats on myspace. my groups mixtape songs are on my myspace). but once i get a job for 30k-40k and i start bringin' in 1k paychecks (in other words i can buy a motif or fantom with only 3 paychecks), my price will increase to $1k plus my royalties. sorry, i've always wanted a lamborghini since i was a kid and no job on earth will pay me enough to buy one. so i'm in the music game just as much as everybody else.

but i'm not goin' to tell somebody to make 10k-20k a year, stay poor, stay in the projects, stay in the mother's house, turn 60 and still live in an apartment instead of havin' paid off a mortgage for a house... all as a sacrifice to try to make it into the music industry.

make you money by any means necessary. go to school, go be a construction worker (they make GOOD money with no college education and you have no chance that your job will be sent overseas), go do something that will let you live comfortable. and then when you do make it into the industry, you can quit your job. don't quit your job before you make it and you live on welfare. ppl like justin (a.k.a. republicans. and no disrespect Justin, i'm just usin' your political posts as an example) will not hesitate to get rid of the welfare system.

i believe in work SMARTER, not work HARDER. thos ppl who are worth billions of dollars are always there to take advantage of those who are willin' to work hard for peanuts. sorry, no disrespect but 90% of the ppl in the industry have signed bad contracts just to make it into the industry. and i refuse to sign away my money to some multi-million dollar corporation and make no money from my album sales (an advance is a loan and you must make the same amount of money back in royalties before you receive any royalties. most ppl NEVER even break even in the amount of royalties that they earn). dont' believe me, i already told you what books to go and borrow or buy and read.

i'm still waitin' for somebody on the forum to make it in the music industry. like i said before, it's about networkin'. better hurry 'cause i'm tryin' to make it before you...

you really don't know me from what i type. what i tell others what they should do and what i do is opposite. i won't tell somebody to take the hard path and then they blame when when they fail. it's not my fault. i told you to have a plan B.

there's one thing i hate that people tend to say regularly..for example if your new to whatever it can be painting,music,poetry
whatever you do and people say to you give up stop dreaming and more or less laugh at you and ive seen that before its even happend to me, how can you be good at something if youve never done it u arent born knowning u need pratice and dedication so it really anoys me hearing people say that cuz it does bring ur confedience and enthusiams down and this aint no fantasy bullshit i truly know that if you want to be someone or get something u will except in love and all that u cant do anything atal do make a person love u but i tink everytings possible if u want it and i want to beat make and be known in ireland and i kno i will cuz im stil very average at beats but i spend all my free time making beats every minute im free im makin beats cuz i want to be a known beat maker and i was jus sayin to a cp peep earlier that wen i luk bak at my 1st beat which i was coping from an original beat it was bad bad and now after a few months ive developed creativity towards beats and make my own and im far beter since my 1st and if i keep going and going im gona get better and better and ders no limit in being better so u reach a point that ur higher than everyone else and u still keep gettin better dats if ur more dedicated than everybody else and thats wen u wake up one morning and realise im someone in life because youve followed a dream when no1 had faith in you and now there all stil the same and youre tha shit and thats what im going to do and lookee has a valid point aswell