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    Source: Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

    A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

    Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

    "I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

    Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

    Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

    In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

    Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

    Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

    Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

    The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

    "Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

    "It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."
    Basically, this lawsuit is claiming that Obama's citizenship is invalid and that he is ineligible to become President. Additionally, if these claims are found to be true, he can be jailed for fraud.

    This hasn't been widely reported in the media and I'm very surprised that the Republican Party has not mentioned this since Obama was nominated.

    This part is of special interest:

    Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

    Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
    Here is how citizenship works in this country for those of you that don't know. Anyone born in the United States has citizenship (even if they have illegal parents). If the child has at least one parent with US citizenship, they also have citizenship. Additionally, if the child is born on US land on foreign soil (military bases, et cetera), the child also has citizenship. This is why McCain is eligible to obtain the Presidency (he was born on a military base in Panama).

    This lawsuit has been started by an attorney who happens to be a Hilary Clinton supporter. I think one of the following things can happen:

    1. Obama is found to be innocent and a citizen.
    2. He is found guilty and resigns from the race.
    3. He is found guilty and is forced out of the race.

    If he was to be removed, Joe Biden would become the new Presidential candidate since the DNC has already occurred.

    A final note: Like I said, this is the work of a Hilary Clinton supporter. We Republicans, for once, didn't have anything to do with it.

    It's something to look out for, and while any lawsuit takes months (possibly years) to develop, this could keep him out of the White House, even if he wins the popular vote and the electoral college vote in November.
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    i dont think it is that much a problem because i think tha republicans would have jumped to out this shit or pay someone to out it...I think they are runnin scared and they are doing compaign smeers at this point and time...I dont think he would have ever been nominated or gotten this far if his citizinship was an issue....nah this some bullshit OBAMA YALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Ef View Post
    i dont think it is that much a problem because i think tha republicans would have jumped to out this shit or pay someone to out it...I think they are runnin scared and they are doing compaign smeers at this point and time...I dont think he would have ever been nominated or gotten this far if his citizinship was an issue....nah this some bullshit OBAMA YALL
    My feelings exactly.

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    Yea, I feel the same way. I did a bit of research on this lawyer and he's known for these types of lawsuits.

    You would think that a major political party would take the time to look into these issues before giving someone the nomination.

    Still, tho, it's going to be interesting to see if Obama responds to this, if he responds at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    Yea, I feel the same way. I did a bit of research on this lawyer and he's known for these types of lawsuits.

    You would think that a major political party would take the time to look into these issues before giving someone the nomination.

    Still, tho, it's going to be interesting to see if Obama responds to this, if he responds at all.
    presidential candidates usually cant have ANY opinion on anything
    cuz behind an opinion theres people that will love u for it, but also people that hate u for it. im sure obama lost votes for saying he listens to hip hop

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    Quote Originally Posted by mh bich who els View Post
    presidential candidates usually cant have ANY opinion on anything
    cuz behind an opinion theres people that will love u for it, but also people that hate u for it. im sure obama lost votes for saying he listens to hip hop
    Unfortunately you have strayed off the topic of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mh bich who els View Post
    im sure obama lost votes for saying he listens to hip hop
    But he listens to Bob Dylan too, that's like the whitest shit ever, I Listen to him, so that offsets any black points. He said his favorite song was "Maggie's Farm", which if you want to know sounds like this:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYpdKxVpAV4]YouTube - Bringing It All Back Home - 03 Maggie's Farm[/ame]
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    presidential candidates usually cant have ANY opinion on anything
    cuz behind an opinion theres people that will love u for it, but also people that hate u for it. im sure obama lost votes for saying he listens to hip hop
    That is the most ignorant comment that I've ever read from you. Presidential Candidates have opinions on EVERYTHING. Otherwise, there wouldn't be differences between either of the candidates.

    Seriously, were you under the influence of drugs when you made that post? Politicians have no opinions? That's going in my signature.
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    i see you jockin obam cause his campaigns lookin strong, and he has the potential to run america for 2 terms long

    i see you jockin obam jockin jockin obam

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    Quote Originally Posted by proper View Post
    But he listens to Bob Dylan too, that's like the whitest shit ever, I Listen to him, so that offsets any black points. He said his favorite song was "Maggie's Farm", which if you want to know sounds like this:

    YouTube - Bringing It All Back Home - 03 Maggie's Farm
    but the thing is, no offense
    but white people are going to be really racist
    i'm sure EVERY OTHER RACE doesn't care about what type of music a president listens to or anything like that. i'm sure blacks or hispanics or asians etc wouldnt what music he liked, but him liking hip hop is a place

    but u know LOTS AND LOTS of those rich white people and successful middle class soccer moms hate rap music, and dont associate with people who listen to it and everything


    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    That is the most ignorant comment that I've ever read from you. Presidential Candidates have opinions on EVERYTHING. Otherwise, there wouldn't be differences between either of the candidates.

    Seriously, were you under the influence of drugs when you made that post? Politicians have no opinions? That's going in my signature.
    lmao, u didnt get my post, if a president has opinions on everything and makes it public, they would lose sooo much votes juss cuz not everyone will agree wit them. like if they talked about what they thought of britney spears. chances are THEY WILL lose votes with that juss becuz even tho so much people hate her, she still has lots of fans. so i was talking about pop culture and about their personal life etc etc not politcal stuff

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    but the thing is, no offense
    but white people are going to be really racist
    i'm sure EVERY OTHER RACE doesn't care about what type of music a president listens to or anything like that. i'm sure blacks or hispanics or asians etc wouldnt what music he liked, but him liking hip hop is a place
    I'm tired about hearing the fucking race card being brought up by everyone who is trying to defend Obama. Racist white people aren't going to start hating Obama because he likes rap. Those ignorant people hate Obama because he's black. His selection of music isn't going to change the opinions of white racists who weren't going to vote for him in the first place.

    Besides, the election will be won in states that aren't controlled by racist voters. No one can blame an Obama loss on racist voters because the "racist" states are the states that Republicans win each and every election.

    lmao, u didnt get my post, if a president has opinions on everything and makes it public, they would lose sooo much votes juss cuz not everyone will agree wit them. like if they talked about what they thought of britney spears. chances are THEY WILL lose votes with that juss becuz even tho so much people hate her, she still has lots of fans. so i was talking about pop culture and about their personal life etc etc not political stuff
    If they lose any votes, it's going to be a small amount. Most people are smart enough to use their vote wisely. This is why they have set the voting age at 18 years old. By that time, an individual is unlikely to vote a certain way just because of a Politician's view on an aspect in popular culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mh bich who els View Post
    but the thing is, no offense
    but white people are going to be really racist
    i'm sure EVERY OTHER RACE doesn't care about what type of music a president listens to or anything like that. i'm sure blacks or hispanics or asians etc wouldnt what music he liked, but him liking hip hop is a place

    but u know LOTS AND LOTS of those rich white people and successful middle class soccer moms hate rap music, and dont associate with people who listen to it and everything


    Hold up there son........ You are the racist for saying white people are gonna be racist right off the go. Thats steretyping which is a form of racism and bigotry,,, then u take it further and say its the rich white people that are racist......

    come on homie, are u for real?




    Back on topic, I dont believe they will play that card personally, Obama will be president if those that rule make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDP View Post
    Hold up there son........ You are the racist for saying white people are gonna be racist right off the go. Thats steretyping which is a form of racism and bigotry,,, then u take it further and say its the rich white people that are racist......
    how am i taking it farther by saying its the rich white people that are racist
    thats all i said, i didnt say all white people are racist
    i juss said the really racist ones in their mercedes listening to classical music with their 7 bedroom 3 story house becuz they been wealthy their whole life and havent been in a community full of other races so they dont know much about other races, as people say, ignorance usually leads to racism.
    and i dont think im being ignorant by saying this right here becuz my skool has those kids that have very VERY wealthy parents, and those parents infact have withdrew their kid and put them into private skool becuz they didnt trust the other kids, and no its not juss one kids, theres many


    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    If they lose any votes, it's going to be a small amount. Most people are smart enough to use their vote wisely. This is why they have set the voting age at 18 years old. By that time, an individual is unlikely to vote a certain way just because of a Politician's view on an aspect in popular culture.
    i'm sure at least, 1/10 of america votes blindly or just because theyre influenced to and doesnt get to know the candidates themselves. 1/10 is a pretty big number

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    ON another note tho:

    I want to completely refute this argument here and now.

    It's the typical "alternative defense", they say that Obama's not a citizen because of his parents, and if that doesn't disqualify him, then his "dual citizenship" with Kenya disqualifies him, and if that doesn't do it then he wasn't born in Hawaii at all.

    FactCheck.org has held the original Hawaii birth certificate (hi res image alert):
    http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_3.jpg

    The dual citizenship is moot because Obama automatically renounced his Kenyan citizenship at the age of 21 on merit of his Hawaii birth and permanent residence.

    And... for the "parent" issue, see the photo of his real birth certificate.

    More photos and info here:
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    Good job.

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