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Default Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 13-06-2009, 02:11 AM

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(06-10) 20:40 PDT -- With polls showing the legalization of marijuana gaining public support, and a state budget crisis fueling an ever-more-desperate search for revenue, backers of the first major statewide initiative to legalize marijuana for personal use - and allow counties to tax and regulate the drug - say they're preparing to get the matter on the November 2010 ballot.

"We think the tides have turned," said Richard Lee, the executive director of Oaksterdam University, a major medical marijuana dispensary and advocacy group in Oakland, and a founder of TaxCannabis2010.org, sponsor of the initiative.

He said polls showing voters' support for legalization and taxation of the drug, combined with the financial strains of a recession, mean that "this will be a landmark opportunity that will generate interest and funds nationwide." If successful, Lee said, the initiative will be viewed as a watershed - "a first step in changing federal law."

The initiative that Lee's group is preparing to circulate calls for legalization of small amounts of marijuana for personal possession by adults 21 and older, and allows cities and counties the option of regulating sales and cultivation. The legal amount would be 1 ounce for personal possession, with cultivation allowed in a space no larger than 5 feet by 5 feet.

The move comes as other legislative efforts to legalize marijuana are beginning to gain traction, including a special July election in Oakland to create a category for cannabis taxes, and hearings this fall on a bill by state Assemblyman Tom Ammiano to decriminalize the substance.

With California counties and cities facing huge cuts in critical programs because of the state's $24.3 billion budget deficit - supporters of efforts to legalize and tax marijuana have seized on a new and potentially potent financial argument to take a new look at the issue.

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Lee's group argues that legalization could generate billions of dollars in annual sales tax revenues for California, "so we can finally start funding what matters most: jobs, health care, education," while putting dwindling law enforcement dollars to work on high-priority violent crime and anti-gang offensives.

TaxCannabis2010.org, which also will have a political action committee arm to raise money, plans to submit the initiative to Attorney General Jerry Brown next month for the summary and title oversight required by law. Lee said the group plans to begin gathering signatures in August and fully expects to get the required 650,000 signatures by January to qualify for the November 2010 ballot.

Already, he said, the group has ambitious plans to hire paid signature gatherers, and to use Internet organizing and fundraising - lessons he said learned from the Obama presidential campaign - as well as its PAC to seize on what appears to be a recent shift in public opinion on legalization.

Even if the initiative is successful in California, marijuana would still be illegal under federal law, although backers hope a change here would lead to a change in federal law.

The move to go before voters underscores how the state's budget crisis could help drive what political observers say is an increasingly sophisticated, Internet-savvy and business-oriented approach to the effort to legalize pot.

"It's not the complete answer to the state budget crisis - but it's a piece of the puzzle that could be put into place relatively easily," said Bruce Mirken of the Marijuana Policy Project, which studies legalization issues. "That said, there's an ongoing discussion about how to get that done as quickly as possible - and whether a ballot initiative is the way to go."

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Other marijuana-related legislation is making its way before state voters. Oakland voters will in weeks begin voting on a July special election mail-in ballot that includes Measure F, which would make their city the first in the nation to establish a new tax rate for "cannabis businesses." If the measure is approved, Oakland medical marijuana businesses, which generate an estimated $20 million annually in sales - and are now charged at the general tax rate of $1.20 per $1,000 gross receipts - would see that rate raised to $18 per $1,000, a 15-fold increase.

The measure was supported enthusiastically by Lee and overseers of other city medical marijuana dispensaries as one that could contribute more than $400,000 a year to city coffers while also giving the medical marijuana businesses an increasingly mainstream profile in a major city.

Their efforts have won the support of Councilwoman Rebecca Kaplan, who sponsored Oakland's Measure D, which mandates that arrests for personal possession of marijuana be given the lowest priority in law enforcement matters.

While an increasing number of public officials, including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, have urged study of legalization, there remains deep opposition among groups such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving, which argues it would multiply problems related to substance use and come with heavy health concerns.

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Even proponents of decriminalization warn that taking an initiative before state voters probably will face huge and expensive opposition.

Quintin Mecke, communications director for state Sen. Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, said the legislator's bill, AB390, calling for decriminalization of marijuana and taxation and regulation of the drug, is expected to be up for hearings later this year. "The general consensus is that we're making a lot of progress," he said.

But a ballot initiative has the potential to be more polarizing, because it will "limit the ability to craft (a measure) through legislative process" and doesn't allow for as much flexibility, he said.

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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 04-07-2009, 01:14 AM

I'm gonna be smokin it either way so go head with ya legalisin, cant see it ever happenin and if it does are we gonna be buyin pre-rolled reefa's with like the tinyest amount of ganja in? Fuk if i wanted to smoke that little weed i'd jus go round my mate cookie's house..
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 04-07-2009, 04:23 AM

naw i think it would be like alcohol.
the more expensive, the stronger.
cuz i heard back about 80 years ago, they tried to ban alcohol, but failed.
and now we're like WTF thats impossible, which will be the same thing people say about marijuanna
so the way i think of it..history is just repeating itself.
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 04-07-2009, 09:32 PM

The only way they havent been legalized Mary Jane iz because the government hasnt found a really good way to make money off of it.

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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 05-07-2009, 04:36 AM

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The only way they havent been legalized Mary Jane iz because the government hasnt found a really good way to make money off of it.

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Actually bro, there are over 25,000+ different uses from the plant....That's a lot of money that wouldn't be flowing. The marijuana plant could do wonders for our economy, but that's why they don't legalize it. Well, I should say the americans nowadays anyways. George Washington didn't mind growing fields of it. The first american flag ever made was made out of hemp, alongside every piece of paper used to write the declaration of independence, or the fact that ben franklin had fields of it as well for his hemp factory.

Billions of dollars are spent each year by tobacco and alcohol lobbyist on advertisements on how bad marijuana can be.....really it's so bad I'm going to sit on the couch, or be sad because my friends think I'm "uncool" because i smoked a joint? How many people die a year from cigarettes 400,000+ a year, even more for legal drugs that they prescribe us that have more worst side effects then what the actual diagnosis is!!!

Sorry this is so long. I just got done hanging out with the plant myself

That is what is so great about this country. They preach one thing while they were the mask of another. blahhhhhhhhh
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 05-07-2009, 07:15 AM

I say it's about damn time....

And I also think that with the massive financial issues this country is about to have (in the short term, California's almost bankrupt. In the long term, about 25 years, the interest payments to foreign countries on our debt will be more than our entire country's production) that legalized, taxed cannabis will be here sooner than most think.
  
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Actually bro, there are over 25,000+ different uses from the plant....That's a lot of money that wouldn't be flowing. The marijuana plant could do wonders for our economy, but that's why they don't legalize it. Well, I should say the americans nowadays anyways. George Washington didn't mind growing fields of it. The first american flag ever made was made out of hemp, alongside every piece of paper used to write the declaration of independence, or the fact that ben franklin had fields of it as well for his hemp factory.

Billions of dollars are spent each year by tobacco and alcohol lobbyist on advertisements on how bad marijuana can be.....really it's so bad I'm going to sit on the couch, or be sad because my friends think I'm "uncool" because i smoked a joint? How many people die a year from cigarettes 400,000+ a year, even more for legal drugs that they prescribe us that have more worst side effects then what the actual diagnosis is!!!

Sorry this is so long. I just got done hanging out with the plant myself

That is what is so great about this country. They preach one thing while they were the mask of another. blahhhhhhhhh
dont forget that our first (and historians say the best president ever) grew the plant himself!
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 05-07-2009, 08:43 PM

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dont forget that our first (and historians say the best president ever) grew the plant himself!
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Actually bro, there are over 25,000+ different uses from the plant....That's a lot of money that wouldn't be flowing. The marijuana plant could do wonders for our economy, but that's why they don't legalize it. Well, I should say the americans nowadays anyways. George Washington didn't mind growing fields of it. The first american flag ever made was made out of hemp, alongside every piece of paper used to write the declaration of independence, or the fact that ben franklin had fields of it as well for his hemp factory.

Billions of dollars are spent each year by tobacco and alcohol lobbyist on advertisements on how bad marijuana can be.....really it's so bad I'm going to sit on the couch, or be sad because my friends think I'm "uncool" because i smoked a joint? How many people die a year from cigarettes 400,000+ a year, even more for legal drugs that they prescribe us that have more worst side effects then what the actual diagnosis is!!!

Sorry this is so long. I just got done hanging out with the plant myself

That is what is so great about this country. They preach one thing while they were the mask of another. blahhhhhhhhh
dont forget that our first (and historians say the best president ever) grew the plant himself![/QUOTE]
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 05-07-2009, 09:48 PM

lol oh damn i need to read more thoroughly
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 06-07-2009, 12:46 PM

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lol oh damn i need to read more thoroughly
haha it's all good bro
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 07-07-2009, 05:48 PM

Man! Roll that shit light that shit! It better than a bunch of fucking pills!
  
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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 08-07-2009, 04:31 AM

yea i read this a while back on the nytimes actually....

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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 08-07-2009, 10:33 AM

smokin' is good, but few hundreds yearz ago alot of ppl in wild jungles chew marijuana cuz its was so helpful or they just belived in it, i think legalization is a good way

agree with it

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the more expensive, the stronger."

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Default Re: Marijuana legalization on 2010 ballot - 09-07-2009, 03:54 PM

It's impossible for the government to tax marijuana, thus why it will never be fully legalized. Unlike alcohol, it isn't expensive to make and not very hard, if you have expertise in growing. Which, if you can grow tomatoes, I don't see any reason why you can't grow pot, its that simple.

Simple and plain, the government makes more money off weed being illegal, then it would being legalized. The farthest you'll ever see America get to legalizing marijuana is that of California, where it's used for medicinal purposes or they'll sell the seeds (per pound bag) and you'll have the ability to have your own plant/s (with under 2 ounces), but selling would be outlawed. By time that comes though, we'll be like 50-60. So, fuck it. Do it even if its illegal.
  
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