I lost a bet with Ef Dub

This fight was on some ol' bullshit anyways.

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm a Mayweather fan and I'm glad he beat De La Hoya. I called it before the fight even started. I was like "Mayweather gonna let Oscar tire himself out for the first half of the fight and knock him the fuck out around rounds 7-11." I watched the whole thing and was very disappointed. To have been talkin shit the whole time, talkin about he was gonna "massacre" De La Hoya, this turned out to be anything but. If this was supposedly the fight to save boxing, then the shit just died.

I'll give it to Mayweather. He was the smartest fighter. Threw half as many punches as Oscar and just hit him when it counted. Statistically, he did win (and don't forget, it wasn't even a unanimous decision). But honestly, I would have rather paid to see two fighters fight like De La Hoya did. At least there could have been a knockdown.

well i think mayweather boxed the way he did because he knew that De La hoya had a stronger punch...shit id be fucking running scared of De La hoya's hands...so mayweather used his quickness and wit to out do de la hoya

And dont front De La Hoya spent more time bangin on his elbows and getting taunted then he did actually winning any rounds. He let mayweather get under his skin and had him doing a different kind of fighting that he isn't used too..Mayweather mentally hustled De La Hoya and that is why he lost

When he got mad that his punches were not landing and mayweather was still laughing at him he started fighting like a featherweight instead of the most popular boxer in boxing

I think it did saving the sport tho. Because it drew people in that never even watched a tyson fight that never even cared for boxing before. and now people are looking foward to tha Zab Judah fight jus cause they know he almost beat mayweather...boxing may just be saved after all

But i liked tha fact Pretty Floyd used his mind to win this fight..even tho they boxers and we all wanted to see a knock or or at least a knock down...mayweather would have never been able to knock de la hoya out unless he was allowed to fight dirty..by tha way de la hoya was throwin dick punches too

^ ef right tho...boxin aient dead...i think they made like 35 mil off pay per view alone lol and i know that fight was like 60 dollarz..

but tha fact that mayweather came out in tha mexican colors, and klike ef said, how he was fuckin wit him and laughin n shit...it pissed me off tha whole fight lol i lost all respect for mayweather

that shit was 54 dollars and 75 cent lol

I personally think boxing has been dead for decades, the last Real fighter was Lenix Lewis, and after defeating all challengers(some on multiple occasions), he retired the heavy weight champ-because he didn't have any worth while competition. Personally for me though boxing has been dead since Ali brought in the "dance around like a fucking ferry" routine. Boxing was originally two guys punching the shit out of one another to see who could hit harder, and who could take more abuse-Not, who can hop around, running scared.
The other big wimpout from ali, that is absolutley pathetic-was back when Canadian heavyweight George Chuvalo was in his prime. Ali was in a contract to fight with him, but Chuvalo knocked the shit out of Mike Dejohn(a name any real boxing fan will know) seeing the fight you can see why Ali was shitting himself, as in the 6th Chuvalo knocks out Dejohn right against the ropes, but as Chuvalo was set in a hard core line up of punches, he was pummleing Dejohn out over the ropes like a practice boxing dummy. after seeing Dejohn take such a pounding Ali got himself out of the fight by cooking up this whole 'I got a contract to fight someone else now at the same time(by accident) and so I can't fufill my contract with you'. Chuvalo tried to get Ali to fight him as per their contract-even ging to the media and showing up at a press conference that Ali was Attending, but Ali would not fight him. Not till Ali had another fight years later, where the other guy droped out and Ali offered the fight to Chuvalo. With less than 3 weeks to prepare for the fight Chuvalo still put up a pretty good fight, and in the second fight(couple years later), the judges were far from unanimous in giving Ali victory-Having seen the fight myself I side with the judges that said Chuvalo won, as he put up a better fight and landed more hard punches than Ali-If the fight had continued Chavalo would have knocked Ali Down Proper-No bullshit.

The fact is though, no professional sports outcome is determined by mere chance anymore, All that shit is rigged-You just try to tell me that a fighter, or team, thats offered major cash, as well as being able to bet big money(garenteed) on the only possible winner-Won't take a fall. -Most eople are more greedy for money than notoriety, and fame. Even if they are more starstruck, they can work out a "win" situation in the futre cause its all fuckin setup. RIGGED like a mother fucker, which is why you won't see me betting either way cuase unless your "in the know" there is no sure thing-this you can bet on.

So :angry-fu: Boxing
And:angry-fu: All other Pro Sports
they can Kiss my muthha Fuckin' ASS!!!!!!


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Here's lil' info on Chuvalo(not the best, but I don't got time to search high and low on the net all damned day):

Taken from an interview conducted by Barry Lindenman:

BL: Having faced such great fighters such as Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, who would you say was the hardest puncher you ever faced in the ring?

GC: It was neither of those guys. Mike Dejohn was a real good wacker. Mike Dejohn knocked out a lot of guys in one round. Mike Dejohn was a good banger. Foreman was a good banger too, of course. Mel Turnbaugh was also. I guess they were about the three hardest punchers: George Foreman, Mel Turnbaugh and Mike Dejohn.
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BL: Ali was famous for giving his opponents nicknames. Sonny Liston was the Bear, Joe Frazier was the Gorilla. He nicknamed you the "Washer Woman." Do you know what he meant by that?

GC: In September of 1963, I beat Mike Dejohn, knocked him colder than Missouri mule. I knocked him out with a left hook and pummeled him over the ropes. It didn’t occur to me until twenty five years later in 1988 why he called me the "Washer Woman." It was because in the fight with Dejohn, I had his back draped way over the ropes and I already had him knocked out. I had him pinned against the ropes and I started pummeling him, just beating on a knocked out guy. It looked like I was working on a scrub board. That’s why he called me the "Washer Woman." It sounds uncomplimentary but it really wasn’t. Ali said George Chuvalo fights rough and tough like a "Washer Woman." It was a kind of a cute term.

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Taken from Wikipedia:

George Louis Chuvalo, CM (born September 12, 1937) is a retired Canadian heavyweight boxer who was never knocked down in ninety-three professional fights between 1956 and 1979. He was Canadian heavyweight champion as both an amateur and a professional, and twice fought for versions of the professional world's heavyweight title.

Born in Toronto to Croatian parents, Stephen and Cate. Chuvalo grew up in The Junction district of west Toronto. While a student at Humberside Collegiate Institute, he became one of the best-known amateur boxers in Toronto, fighting out of the Earlscourt Athletic Club. Chuvalo became Canadian amateur heavyweight champion in May 1955, defeating Winnipeg's Peter Piper with a second round knockout in a tournament final in Regina, Saskatchewan. Later that year, he made front-page news after being hospitalized and arrested following a fight between rival street gangs in Toronto. Chuvalo finished his amateur career with a 15-1 record.

Nicknamed "Boom Boom," Chuvalo turned professional in 1956, knocking out four opponents in one night to win a heavyweight tournament held by former world's champion Jack Dempsey at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto on April 26, 1956.

As a pro, Chuvalo is best known for his two fights against Muhammad Ali. He went the distance both times, but lost by a wide margin on the scorecards. The first fight, on March 29, 1966 was for Ali's world title and went fifteen rounds, with the decision going to Ali. "He's the toughest guy I ever fought," said Ali of Chuvalo after the fight.[1] Ali's cornerman, Angelo Dundee, said, "He never stopped coming on ... you've got to admire a man like that."[1] The second Ali fight was in 1972 and went twelve rounds, with Ali—between his world championship reigns—winning an easy decision. It was the last major fight of Chuvalo's career.

Future world champions Joe Frazier and George Foreman, despite being big punchers, were unable to knock Chuvalo down, but they were the only fighters to stop him, scoring technical knockout (TKO) victories. Foreman—regarded as one of the hardest hitters in boxing history—mauled Chuvalo, bombing him with punch after punch. Yet, in his typical display of toughness, when the referee stopped the fight in the third round, Chuvalo said to him, "What are you, nuts?"

Chuvalo's biggest victory was a seventh-round knockout of contender Jerry Quarry on December 12, 1969. In addition to his losses to Ali, Frazier, and Foreman, Chuvalo also lost to former champion Floyd Patterson in a bout that The Ring named fight of the year for 1965. He lost to WBA heavyweight champion Ernie Terrell in 1965 and to former WBA champion Jimmy Ellis in 1971, with both of those fights taking place at Maple Leaf Gardens.

He lost two sons to drug overdoses, another son to suicide and his wife to suicide after that. His remaining son, Mitch, became a successful teacher and coach, now working at the University of Toronto Schools. Chuvalo currently tours giving lectures against drugs and actively participates in charity work.

Chuvalo was inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame in 1990 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1997. He was made a Member of the Order of Canada in 1998 and was awarded a star on Canada's Walk of Fame in 2005.

whoa homie ur trippin talkin down on ali like that. ALI was tha last great fighter...he could move like a featherweight and punch like a heavywieght thats what made him tha best. so please dont talk down on ali u have no idea what your talkin about when u sayin boxing was a sport 2 see who could beat tha crap out of eachother tha best. boxing is a sport. there is a stradegy, thats why mayweather won.

that thread is way toooooo long i dont no why he does that nobody is gonna read all that shit...what tha fuck shit looks like he researches every thread and writes a fuckin term paper on it..who gives a shit

And as for what u said Producer about him comin down on Ali...i dont even gotta read that shit to know he don't know shit about Ali...This man fucked his whole life over for the sport of boxing..

Boxing is for thos mothafuckas that aint eva been good at shit but knockin -----s out. You can take a dude from da block that got mad enternal issues on drugs and turn him into a boxer...look at Tyson straight from da hood all he eva knew how to do was knock -----s out and what happened to him he was able to get rich doin this shit

Jus like hip-hop is an outlet for gangstas boxing is da same type of outlet...it aint nothin to do wit beatin da crap outta eachother that is ultimate fighter and all dat no rules kickin boxin shit

Boxing is about stance, power, and being able to have a toe to toe fist fight with just your hands..that shit is hard..i know i couldn't just knuckle up and see somebody on a head up withouth trying to kick body slam closeline somethin...but they jus stand there and fight how could u say that aint a sport

If golf is a sport boxing is a fucking sport

First off you are the one Who hath not one fuckin' clue what you talkin' on. Ali was not the worlds best boxer, he "changed" the whole way boxing was preformed, and in my opinion that change was the ruin of the sport. You just spewin' the retoric you been fed by holly wood movies, and bullshit biographies.

Allready back in those days Mafia mutherfuckers owned the fighters, and the venues. If they told you to take a fall, you took that mother fuckin' fall. It didn't come down solely to payoffs, they would threaten you and your family. If you didn't play along with them you didn't get anywhere in boxing, cause they wouldn't allow you to fight against their boxers, or in their venues. They had the whole shit sewed up. -So you can't tell me Ali was the greatest-cause in the big leagues of American boxing the outcome was(and is) dictated.

I said that ORIGINALLY boxing was about strength, and Endurance not jumpin' around like a fag.

Things I did NOT say:
Boxing is not a sport.
Boxing Has no stratagey.

Boxing's origins were two guys goin into a ring using only their fists to pummel each other and the last man standing is winner. Now shits all bitch ass Tko's-this jumpin' around got the fighters to tired to finish the fuckin' fight-If that aint the ruin of the sport-I don't know what is!

Who gives a shit?, umm.. mabey people that don't got their heads in their asses, an actually wanna learn some shit. Try to remember that just because you only got that Fourth grader reading there are some people around hear that made it thruogh school.

The reason that Ali is so fucked up, is he stayed fighting too long after he was a fuckin' has-been, out of shape, old man. Greed, and lust for fame-thats all you can blame shit on.

Once again:
I said that ORIGINALLY boxing was about strength, and Endurance not jumpin' around like a fag. Boxings origins were two guys goin into a ring only using their fists to pummel each other and the last man standing is winner.

Things I did NOT say:
Boxing is not a sport.
Boxing Has no stratagey.

I did not say what boxing is now, I said what it used to be-Mabey if you actually read the post you would know what the fuck I'm talkin' bout.

lol homie...shut tha fuck up u embarrassin yaself lol

u did say "Boxing was originally two guys punching the shit out of one another to see who could hit harder, and who could take more abuse-Not, who can hop around, running scared."

now think about how stupid that sounds. tha days where 2 people stood n a ring and beat tha shit out of each other was way before any of our times and way before boxing was a national sport. meaning...before there were rules and things set up.

and talking about "dancing around like a fuckin ferry" - r u a fuckin idiot thats what made him so great. let me repeat what i already said...he had tha strength of a heavywieght and tha speed of a featherwieght. so to say ali wasnt a great boxer is jus bein a fuckin hater. lol

well damn u actually did get 1 thing right...u didnt say boxing didnt have stradegy. lol but tha fact that u disrespected ali's style like that basically shows your ignorance and shows tha fact that you dont have respect for tha strategic side of tha SPORT. remember it is a sport not a street fight in a ring lol

so please...if you have shit else to say....come correct otherwise u jus makin an ass outta yaself

and my head may be in my ass but im tha shit

lol

and you always got some shit to say trying to force people into your way of thinkin wit your long drawn out hypothosis

Now whos fucked in the head, "Before there were rules"?! -there been rules since the earliest days son, like, it weren't a fuckin' street fight-Boxing was a fist fight, that was suppose to be fought in a fair maner-no hittin' below the belt-you wanna do the research you will find out there were plenty of fuckin' rules.

"Just cause shit was before our time" don't mean I can't respect it. You sayin you can't respect somthing cause its not from your time period?! -thats what I call hatin', shit don't neccessarilly always change for the better.

Yes I said: 'Boxing was originally two guys punching the shit out of one another to see who could hit harder, and who could take more abuse-Not, who can hop around, running scared.'
I also said: 'Boxing's origins were two guys goin into a ring using only their fists to pummel each other and the last man standing is winner. Now shits all bitch ass Tko's-this jumpin' around got the fighters too tired to finish the fuckin' fight-If that aint the ruin of the sport-I don't know what is!'

^These are my opinions An' I stand by them.

Thats your opinion, my opinion is that if he stood still while the heavy hitters punched him in the face, he woulda fell like a dead branch, while at the same time if he took puches at them standin' still, he woulda taken all night to knock them down.

You can have foot work to dodge puches-but the shit he brought goes beyond that, its like fucking girly ass dancin' around-because he was scared of the fists hittin' him.

The reason you jumpin' on me is because I ain't one with the "brainwashed masses", who defend people they really don't know shit about because they "think" they know 'em. I ain't hatin' on Ali-I simply don't like what he did to the sport-thats not hatin', hatin' is when you got hate for someone for no reason, or at least no good reason. The Fact is to me he ruined the sport, if I can't dislike someone based on a fact like that what the fuck am I suppose to go around saying I love what sucks? Its no different than me saying that Gretzky is the most over-fuckin'-rated hockey player of all time-don't even fucking get me started on that fuckin' subject-just because others think this dosen't mean its how I gotta think about the issue, I actually take the time to formulate my own opinions-not just nod with the masses.

My opinion is that Ali did too much dancin', not enough fighting, using your footwork to dodge blows is one thing, physically running away from the fight-albeit, it a "fancy and artfull" way-is another thing all together. If he had fought in the original style of boxing, he would never have lasted. I have watched footage of boxing up and down the time line and I think that the old fights were the best.

Although the fact is this whole conversation is entirley pointless-the fights are rigged(so we really have no basis to say which fighters were great and which one poor)-if you don't know this fact your a fucking idiot and I won't bother repeating this again.-

Just cause you smell like it-that don't mean you are it.
I ain't tryin' to force nobody I am only showing my opinion on the subject-its people that take ofence at my freedom to express my opinion. If you don't agree with me or don't like what I have to say then don't resond to it. The responces only make me continue the subject to show you that either your not getting what I am saying or to show that I still don't agree with your opinions.

yeah whatever u say dude jus like i thought u dont no nothin about me yet u say i smell like shit and your supposed to be 23

man where is PDP when u need him to close one of his own threads

wow lol how bout u didnt listen to me lol i told u come correct or u was gon make an ass of yaself lol and look what u did lol

homie. i never disrespected the orgins of boxing lol but u dont know a damn thing about what your talking about. if thats tha boxing you love so much then try and find it and see how u cant lol u act like matches like that were put on tv or something. GREAT boxers like ali brought tha strategic aspect of the sport.

and another thing...im glad u stand by your opinions but your opinions are ignorant and not even argueable lol

"if he stood still while the heavy hitters punched him in the face, he woulda fell like a dead branch, while at the same time if he took puches at them standin' still, he woulda taken all night to knock them down."

- ok wow. u tellin me how im talkin shit about somethin i dont know jus cause of movies n shit? lol dude i got all tha old ali shit how u gon tell me lol tha fact that he could dodge punches with that swiftness made him great. - for tha third fuckin time. if your goin against a larger sized fighter, in tha ring or not, your not a bitch for dodging tha punches lol and if u can show me ONE ali match where he was "running away from tha punches" - lol i mean damn dude u actually frustrate me cuz ur such a fuckin idiot.

"fucking girly ass dancin' around-because he was scared of the fists hittin' him"

- that ignorance right there...lol i aient got shit else to say to you ima dead this shit b/c theres no point in arguin wit you lol hahaha

You the one who said “tha days where 2 people stood n a ring and beat tha shit out of each other was way before any of our times” like that means it doesn’t count in the scheme of things, like I should not give a fuck cause it’s the past and not the now.
I have watched alotta the old old fights from file footage and they were way more entertaining to watch than the new shit. You tryin’ to tell me that because the sport is changed that that means its better now? That’s like saying that on T.V. all the crap shows get cancelled, the good programs stay on forever, and they never play reruns of the old shows cause the new shows are better.

You aren’t getting’ me chief-I’m not saying he was physically running like the hundred meter dash-I said he is running away from the fight in a artful way-Its tantamount to the same damn thing-that’s still fuckin’ runnin’ from the fight. You just try to tell me that the rope-a-dope was any fuckin thing other than running from the fight. I never said he should not have dodged the punches, dodges, and block have been in boxing since the earliest days-what I am sayin is that he was not simply dodgein blows he was jumping up and down so that the blows would deflect, and hangin’ over the edge of the ropes so that his opponent couldn’t hit him-that’s chickin shit in my books. Just cause something is done artfully, don’t change the outcome its still chicken shit!

That ain’t Ignorance-that’s my opinion(Ali ruined boxing). Are you saying that because I don’t enjoy boxing, and I can trace the reason for my lack of enthusiasm for the sport that this makes me Ignorant?

A good example of ignorance is:

"tha days where 2 people stood n a ring and beat tha shit out of each other was way before any of our times and way before boxing was a national sport. meaning...before there were rules and things set up."

^Wtf is that shit?

I stand by my opinions -Most old timers I ever talked to about boxing said pretty much the same thing, that they had really enjoyed watchin’ it till Cashus/Ali brought in the whole dance routine. They found the fights became longer and more boring to watch-as anyone can see if you go back and watch the old fights from the archival footage.

If you want to tell me That I am ignorant becase you don't agree with my opinions-well thats about as unitellectual of a reason as I can think of.