God's Punishing Texas With The Hurricanes For Their Sins(Bush), Just Like N.O.

**Justin**

Well, since I'm bored out of my fucking mind, I might as well rebuttal. :)

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1) Congress has only been Democratic controlled since Jan. 3, 2007.

Yea, I realize this. Even tho they have "technically" controlled Congress since 2007, I personally feel that they've had the "control" in Washington since the 2004 election. The "war", along with many other issues, has caused some of the Republican Congressmen to succumb to the Democratic way in recent years. It's quite a shame but the Elephant always comes through in the end.

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2) I tend to follow the theory that porkbarrel spending on both sides is responsible for our deficit, WITH the factor that we're in a war (that I'm not arguing about re: who voted for it and the funding and all that), you just can't spend hundreds of millions of dollars at a time for shit like a Bridge to Nowhere (actually, 3 or 4 of them) in Alaska.

Yes, I agree with you on the issue of pork barreling. That is one thing that I cannot blame on a specific party become nearly everyone is doing it.

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3) I'm honestly, legitimately still undecided about who I support (can't vote). On one hand, I can't help but be scared of McCain's continuation of Bush policy (and it's not as crazy as Obama says, but McCain definitely aligns himself with Bush on several issues). I think that if McCain picks Lieberman for VP, I will get behind him. That would go down as a greatly historic moment in an already historic campaign.

While I dislike some of Lieberman's ideals, I think it would be a great idea for McCain to add him to the VP. Not only would Lieberman bring over many Democratic voters (and essentially secure the state of Connecticut to McCain), it would also bring over many of the voters who desire unity between both parties. Having an experienced Democrat and Republican on the Presidential ticket is the real "change" that we need in this country.

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4) Absolutely, I think Reaganomics was MORE impressive than the New Deal, and that's what we need now.

Reagan, with the exception of the War On Drugs (bad Reagan!), was one of the greatest President's that our country has ever had.

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5) Obama's definitely not greatly accredited and accomplished. But I think it might be what we need, consider the story of Lucius Cincinnatus, who took over Rome for just 2 terms (that was short then), won a war, fixed the money system and then went back to his FARM. Obama might not be a Kennedy, but I'm not sure Obama isn't a Cincinnatus. I don't know.

Yea, but unlike the great Roman society, I don't think that Obama could make any worthwhile changes in four years. While I'm a bit upset with both candidates because of the lack of progress in the Senate, I have to give my hat to McCain because it is faster to reform the current system than to rebuild it. Obama wants to rebuild and McCain wants to modify the way of the Bush. It's a lot easier to modify eight years of work than to tear it down and rebuild.

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6)re: problem, solution:

You know I have to get at least one "fuck you" into every post I make, so fuck you, peace

Yey. :)

**elimn8**

Nobody can save America.
It's heading for disaster.

McCain? Obama? ...same shit.

I see 3 things happenin:

1. Obama is assassinated
2. Obama wins, then everything is blamed on him, and America starts to fall apart
3. McCain wins

**mh bich who els**

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Originally Posted by Justin

Why do people hate Bush so badly?

its a lil outdated...but u get the point..

**Justin**

^ The fact is that BUsh himself is not responsible for most of that. He's nothing more than a figure for the US political machine. He's not the motor, the gears, or even the oil that fuels the machine. He's the manufacturer emblem and nothing more.

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Nobody can save America.
It's heading for disaster.

And this is when Revolution happens my friend. America is eerily similar to the USSR of the 1980's. If America starts to fall apart, Revolution will incur and a new dawn will be upon us.

djloekee27

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Originally Posted by Justin

Invest in the Euro, I do.

As far as spending, as with most other issues, the ultimate decision comes from Congress, not the President. To my knowledge, we've achieved the highest increases in debt in the past four years, in which we've had a Democratic controlled Congress.

The Democrats are responsible for passing the laws that have fucked our economy up. If they really had a problem with the war in Iraq, like so many Democrats claimed, they could have joined together and cut the war funding. That is where most of our spending is going, and while I agree that it is necessary to rape the sovereignty of a small country from time to time, we have spent too much time on our current invasion project in Iraq. The Democrats could have ended that, but guess what, they haven't.

This is why the American people should vote for McCain and this is why the American people should vote to bring the Republican party back into the Senate and House majority.

If people want a better economy, vote Republican. Look at Reagan. That's a great example of how a Republican can fix our country. I'm not saying that McCain can do everything that Reagan can, but he will do more than Obama could ever envision.

People don't realize that Obama is not the "savior" of our country. Obama is not a Kennedy. Obama is not FDR. Obama isn't even as qualified as John Kerry.

Obama, as a Democratic Senator, is part of the problem. McCain, a Republican Senator, is the solution. :)

Yeah...

blame opec? no i blame bush. i'm just gonna copy and paste my post from shoupz (world war three is coming thread). the arabs countries don't have the military power to push the u.s. out of iraq. their other choice, opec.

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opec won't admit this but the ONLY reason why they raised the price of oil is 'cause we invaded iraq. they don't the military power to push us out of iraq so they decided to "fcuk us over" by raisin' the price of oil.

so if we invade iran, then we can say hi to "$10/$15/$20 a gallon" for gas. gas is still $1 a gallon in saudi arabia (they aren't chargin' their own citizens the same price for gas).

my source:
the travel channel
no reservations: anthony bordain - the saudi arabia episode (he eats camel in this episode)
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sorry but republicans only support big business. if i owned a corporate 500 company then i would be a willing republican.

so, i don't need ppl comin' on forums and tryin' to turn me into a republican. i won't tell you who to vote... so don't tell me who to vote for (i actually thought mccain was cool ever since he defended kerry after those bush attack ads... but that doesn't mean that i'll vote for him... it just means i see see him as sorta respectable... but his attacks on obama has proven that he just another politician sayin' ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to win).

so go obama even tho' i still think that obama will not win the election (sorry, but i still don't see those of european dissent puttin' a black guy into the presidential office... too many racists out there).

**Justin**

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opec won't admit this but the ONLY reason why they raised the price of oil is 'cause we invaded iraq. they don't the military power to push us out of iraq so they decided to "fcuk us over" by raisin' the price of oil.

so if we invade iran, then we can say hi to "$10/$15/$20 a gallon" for gas. gas is still $1 a gallon in saudi arabia (they aren't chargin' their own citizens the same price for gas).

OPEC imports about half of our total daily oil amount, so they aren't the only reason for the increase in price. If we invade Iran (which I'm personally against because I like the current Iran Regime and what they are doing with their Nuclear power policy), it won't go up as much as people believe. OPEC is nothing more than a cartel of rogue states that should be wiped off the face of this planet.

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sorry but republicans only support big business. if i owned a corporate 500 company then i would be a willing republican.

LMAO. Seriously? It's a shame that so many people believe that the Republican party is the only party that supports "big business". Politicians in general love "big business" because that is how they make their money in Washington.

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so, i don't need ppl comin' on forums and tryin' to turn me into a republican.

I'm not trying to turn anyone into a Republican. I'm more of an Independent than a Republican but I align myself with the Republican Party because they actually have a chance to win the Presidential election. I align myself with McCain because he is more of a Moderate than Obama.

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i won't tell you who to vote... so don't tell me who to vote for (i actually thought mccain was cool ever since he defended kerry after those bush attack ads... but that doesn't mean that i'll vote for him... it just means i see see him as sorta respectable... but his attacks on obama has proven that he just another politician sayin' ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to win).

I'm not telling people that they should automatically vote for McCain, I'm stressing that the country will be in a better place if they give their vote to McCain. There is a difference. People will eventually vote for who they feel is the best candidate, and while their vote may not always be correct, enough of them manage to get it right to propel the right candidate into office.

As far as advertisements targeting Obama, he has been doing the same process towards McCain. All politicians do that, and as responsible Americans, it is our responsibility to look past the media and research into the agendas of both candidates.

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so go obama even tho' i still think that obama will not win the election (sorry, but i still don't see those of european dissent puttin' a black guy into the presidential office... too many racists out there).

Oh, here we go with the racist shit. Fact: More Minority citizens will vote for Obama because he is African American than Caucasians will vote for McCain simply because Obama is African American. If Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice were running on the Republican ticket, those "racists" would probably still vote for Powell or Rice because their agenda benefits the country more than the Leftist agenda of Obama.

This election is not a fucking race issue. It's an issue of if you want a Liberal to destroy our decent country of if you want a Moderate to maintain it at the current level. Let me be clear on this: I would rather pay $4.00 a gallon with McCain as President than $2.00 a gallon with Obama as President. I can sacrifice my wallet as long as a Liberal Administration is not allowed to destroy the positive things that Bush did in his two terms.

djloekee27

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Originally Posted by Justin

OPEC imports about half of our total daily oil amount, so they aren't the only reason for the increase in price. If we invade Iran (which I'm personally against because I like the current Iran Regime and what they are doing with their Nuclear power policy), it won't go up as much as people believe. OPEC is nothing more than a cartel of rogue states that should be wiped off the face of this planet.

LMAO. Seriously? It's a shame that so many people believe that the Republican party is the only party that supports "big business". Politicians in general love "big business" because that is how they make their money in Washington.

I'm not trying to turn anyone into a Republican. I'm more of an Independent than a Republican but I align myself with the Republican Party because they actually have a chance to win the Presidential election. I align myself with McCain because he is more of a Moderate than Obama.

I'm not telling people that they should automatically vote for McCain, I'm stressing that the country will be in a better place if they give their vote to McCain. There is a difference. People will eventually vote for who they feel is the best candidate, and while their vote may not always be correct, enough of them manage to get it right to propel the right candidate into office.

As far as advertisements targeting Obama, he has been doing the same process towards McCain. All politicians do that, and as responsible Americans, it is our responsibility to look past the media and research into the agendas of both candidates.

Oh, here we go with the racist shit. Fact: More Minority citizens will vote for Obama because he is African American than Caucasians will vote for McCain simply because Obama is African American. If Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice were running on the Republican ticket, those "racists" would probably still vote for Powell or Rice because their agenda benefits the country more than the Leftist agenda of Obama.

This election is not a fucking race issue. It's an issue of if you want a Liberal to destroy our decent country of if you want a Moderate to maintain it at the current level. Let me be clear on this: I would rather pay $4.00 a gallon with McCain as President than $2.00 a gallon with Obama as President. I can sacrifice my wallet as long as a Liberal Administration is not allowed to destroy the positive things that Bush did in his two terms.

eh... i'm not even gonna bother to reply to your shiet... you simply want to argue...

the fact is, gas is $1.00 in saudi... so the stuff that they are tellin' us for raisin' the price is fiction aka bullxiet. if it was, then the saudi general population will be payin' for $3 gas, $4 gas. obvious they aren't hurtin' for money... i given my source in case you don't believe... it is not somebody that i made up...

and race? race is a fact. they are alot of racists that won't vote for a black man, whether it be rice or colin powell. so i my line of reasoning that obama won't win is not a matter of race... i just LISTED ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PPL WON'T VOTE FOR HIM. do you know how many ppl have left comments on the net sayin' that they won't vote for him. i am referrin' to those racist bastards and i am not referrin' to any white ppl that will vote for him.

you people get too offended whenever somebody mentions race. shiet, black ppl get offended whenever i say that i'm creole...

and i assumed that you were black... as alot of ppl on this forum are black. non-black ppl get sooooooooo mad at the fact whenever "race this" "race that" is brought up.

i'll be real. race happens. quit actin' like racism doesn't happen. i've had enough ppl call me n*gger so that i know that race is still an issue. oOo, and i last heard the insult last week... i'm not talkin' about some shiet that happens in the 80's when i was growin' up...

sorry if i didn't address anything that you said... like i said, i simply won't get caught up in a dumb debate where you say one thing... then i reply with something... then this process goes on forever...

dont' bother replyin' to me 'cause i won't reply... i'm just GIVIN' MY OPINION and i'm not hear to debate and prove anybody wrong... i just had to say my 2 cents about $1.00 gas in saudi when i saw what was written here about opec...

and let me add that you have hijacked this thread. this thread was about hurricanes, not who will win the election. i'm not a mod but my opinion is that this thread should go back to its original topic... and make a different topic about the election.

srogers

Theres alot more people in Texas than the Bushes. If there getting punish it would be for there own sins. God has beef with the powers that control America, I dont think its just Texas, and i dont think it's the people.

**Justin**

^ True, true. I personally don't think that God has beef with anyone. If a God exists (which I believe does), I'm confident that he only watches and never interacts. The Hurricanes are nothing more than aspects of nature that are taking advantage of people who are living ridiculously close to an ocean.

The extent of the New Orleans fault can only be blamed on local and state governments. Texas, unlike the state of Louisiana, will have an easier time with the recovery process.