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    sup CP, i launched my website recently and would love to hear your thoughts, feedback, critique, suggestions, advice, or any bugs

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    It's nice, sweet design & real professional-looking layout. Seems pretty empty in relation to content though but I'm assuming its a new & upcoming website so that would be to be expected. But overall, pretty sweet bro, did u design the website yourself or register it with a website buying site with templates? -peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilshot View Post
    It's nice, sweet design & real professional-looking layout. Seems pretty empty in relation to content though but I'm assuming its a new & upcoming website so that would be to be expected. But overall, pretty sweet bro, did u design the website yourself or register it with a website buying site with templates? -peace
    thanks i appreciate it. i was def going for the professional look to present my work. i was originally just going to use it to display my beats, designs, but figured why not throw a blog on there as well. but yea ur right it can use a lot more content

    i designed it myself..basically piecing together specific elements of css/jquery/javascript which i got from demos that i liked. glad u liked it!
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    Well if you pieced it together yourself then fair play you got some website building skills and should maybe consider doing it constant as a career cuz your that good at it haha anywayz yeah in relation to content you should feature other artists work and/or potential collabs with you, etc. or any artists work who you want to collab with, because that will bring more fan base from the other artists space if ya get me -peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilshot View Post
    Well if you pieced it together yourself then fair play you got some website building skills and should maybe consider doing it constant as a career cuz your that good at it haha anywayz yeah in relation to content you should feature other artists work and/or potential collabs with you, etc. or any artists work who you want to collab with, because that will bring more fan base from the other artists space if ya get me -peace
    thanks for the advice, that's a great idea, i'll def consider that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilshot View Post
    Well if you pieced it together yourself then fair play you got some website building skills and should maybe consider doing it constant as a career cuz your that good at it haha anywayz yeah in relation to content you should feature other artists work and/or potential collabs with you, etc. or any artists work who you want to collab with, because that will bring more fan base from the other artists space if ya get me -peace
    Stealing elements and scripts from demos is not only illegal, but for you to say he should consider a career out of that is incredibly insulting. How about I sample large chunks off your beats and construct my own and make a career out of that?
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    As for the look of the site, it's ehh. Minimal is great, in fact I love to design minimal sites. Minimal is also extremely functional, which you completely missed the mark making this boring and plain. It actually looks like templates pieced together. I don't see one consistent flow at all. Here are some quick errors at first sight; the typography is everywhere, you didn't make good use of the white space, you have no interaction for the blog side of things, other pages are too plain, the fading transition is extremely annoying and unprofessional, the wood panel makes no sense for the design, navigation is small and poorly implemented, you have a guestbook (irrelevant), logo is simply downloadable fonts (forgettable/unoriginal), the carousel in proportion to the rest of the site looks stupid, no real flow, view aka "portfolio" is little/bad plugin, watch takes to a full screen video with bad quality (unprofessional), there is a links page? and goes to view anyway, contact form looks completely different from the site, and many many more problems appearance wise.

    Backend problems are even worse; your SEO is horrid (LMAO @ your meta), the CSS is everywhere and redundant, and don't even get me started on your HTML with over 230 errors. You can tell you only popped in jQuery because it sounds like a cool buzzword to have in your site.

    Real advice? Hire a professional to create a custom one and if you don't make enough money off your craft, buy a premium one and pay a professional to edit it. Design is expensive and for a damn good reason. It's no disrespect - I'm just not going to tell you it's good when it's not. You gave an effort to do it yourself probably cause you can't afford a professional and I respect that, but don't go stealing shit off demos. Goto school or learn the craft yourself inorder to do it if you can't afford it. The point of your site is to make sales and promote your craft, this site isn't going to hit your goals.
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    Well tbh I was just giving the guy some feedback seeing as no1 else was posting back to him, and as far as stealing scripts go, I was actually joking in relation to making a career using that method hence the "haha" at the end of the line, but it depends who you are referring too by saying its insulting what I just said, teachers and pros offer code through courses, classes, tutorials,etc. is that wrong? no, because to use any source code in minimal amounts and as long as its not code that's been designed specifically by a certain individual but instead used regularly globally and shared to the world then I don't see a problem in that. If it's given to the world to use then god damn use it, and re create it in your own interpretation of how you want your design to look. It's only the same as remixes, mash ups and remakes of original tunes, to develop individual skills but also expand the musical mind and create something new and fresh out of the old, hopefully making it sound better. Same thing with code I think -peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethal Illness View Post
    Stealing elements and scripts from demos is not only illegal, but for you to say he should consider a career out of that is incredibly insulting. How about I sample large chunks off your beats and construct my own and make a career out of that?
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    As for the look of the site, it's ehh. Minimal is great, in fact I love to design minimal sites. Minimal is also extremely functional, which you completely missed the mark making this boring and plain. It actually looks like templates pieced together. I don't see one consistent flow at all. Here are some quick errors at first sight; the typography is everywhere, you didn't make good use of the white space, you have no interaction for the blog side of things, other pages are too plain, the fading transition is extremely annoying and unprofessional, the wood panel makes no sense for the design, navigation is small and poorly implemented, you have a guestbook (irrelevant), logo is simply downloadable fonts (forgettable/unoriginal), the carousel in proportion to the rest of the site looks stupid, no real flow, view aka "portfolio" is little/bad plugin, watch takes to a full screen video with bad quality (unprofessional), there is a links page? and goes to view anyway, contact form looks completely different from the site, and many many more problems appearance wise.

    Backend problems are even worse; your SEO is horrid (LMAO @ your meta), the CSS is everywhere and redundant, and don't even get me started on your HTML with over 230 errors. You can tell you only popped in jQuery because it sounds like a cool buzzword to have in your site.

    Real advice? Hire a professional to create a custom one and if you don't make enough money off your craft, buy a premium one and pay a professional to edit it. Design is expensive and for a damn good reason. It's no disrespect - I'm just not going to tell you it's good when it's not. You gave an effort to do it yourself probably cause you can't afford a professional and I respect that, but don't go stealing shit off demos. Goto school or learn the craft yourself inorder to do it if you can't afford it. The point of your site is to make sales and promote your craft, this site isn't going to hit your goals.
    appreciate the criticism. although not very constructive, there are some good points i can take away from it to make improvements. but smh @ essentially advising to "hire a professional" is blatantly insulting, especially given the purpose of this section.

    as for being illegal to use a code from a demo? unless they clearly indicate it cannot be used, then no it's NOT illegal. if i were to use it for profit then yes, that may be a possible exception, however it is free for personal use, otherwise why would they give u the code/tutorial in the first place. common sense.

    lol @ using jquery to be cool. it's what a lot of the functions on the website is BASED off of, and it's not like i was trying to brag that i wrote it.

    judging by the cheap shots and overall tone of your reply its clear u seem to be having a bad day, so it's cool i'll let u vent haha
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    You've got a clean layout but I find the transition effect between pages annoying, personal preference.

    The navigation could be improved as it seems just kinda thrown up there.

    On the Listen page; I would embed the bandcamp player so that people aren't leaving your website to hear your music, the same with the Watch page.. bring the video down in size to fit in your overall layout.

    Drop the guestbook, or at least grab a script to host on your own server instead of the bravenet one.


    Hope that gives you some pointers... I've not reviewed your code or anything as I guess you just wanted feedback on the visual aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Pellas View Post
    You've got a clean layout but I find the transition effect between pages annoying, personal preference.

    The navigation could be improved as it seems just kinda thrown up there.

    On the Listen page; I would embed the bandcamp player so that people aren't leaving your website to hear your music, the same with the Watch page.. bring the video down in size to fit in your overall layout.

    Drop the guestbook, or at least grab a script to host on your own server instead of the bravenet one.


    Hope that gives you some pointers... I've not reviewed your code or anything as I guess you just wanted feedback on the visual aspect.
    thanks for the suggestions. and i'm glad u didn't look at the code cause i'm sure you would've found a lot of areas that are in need of some cleaning up lol
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    Lol at the jQuery comment. With a little over 50 percent of websites using jQuery, saying it's used to be cool is just a bit ignorant. Its popularity is derived from the many functions and plugins available to enhance the user experience and cater to users in a more interactive way, rather than a plain static site. Helps increase user engagement, such as conversion rate and time on site, if used correctly.


    So if you're a professional and you merely disregard jQuery as a "cool buzzword," then you not only aren't doing your clients any favors, you're falling behind in the development world. You better get used to using jQuery and many other JS libraries if you plan on expanding into HTML5 in the near future as well, unless that's just a cool buzzword too.


    Anyway, enough ranting, as this was supposed to be a feedback response.


    Despite his ignorance of jQuery, I do agree with a few of his points, which someone else brought up as well. The whitespace is not used properly. This is especially apparent in the header, where you have a ton of whitespace, and a very small navigation row. I think it would be cool to have the links as a collection of square blocks to the right of the logo. i.e. imagine these are square blocks:
    xxxx
    xxxx
    Probably about 100px x 100px each.


    Also, guestbooks are 1999. Drop that. Drop the links link too. It's generally not gonna help your SEO much to link to another site, so you're not doing yourself any favors by having a list of links on a main page of your site. Instead, a better way that would be good for you and the site you are linking to is to write a blog post about it. What's the other site, why are you posting about them, how can they benefit your readers, etc. Then drop a link in the post.


    The right sidebar could be an oasis of user engagement, but you're not using it. You've got your Twitter feed, but a button to actually follow on Twitter. Add a Facebook feed too, which will include a Like button. I would add a dynamic social/comment widget that moves with the page and its share URL changes as it moves next to another story.


    Idk if that made any sense. Let me try to explain. So you have a column of social icons (maybe use Shareaholic for this) and at the top there is also an icon of a speech bubble for commenting on the current post. They can be in a sidebar that is attached to the side of the window and moves up and down with the page. Just lookup fixed-position DIVs in order to achieve that. As the user scrolls down the page and stops at an article, the buttons can change URL so that if the user were to click the Fb Share, Tweet, etc. buttons it would share the URL of the article they are next to. The comment button would also go to the actual article page, down to the comments anchor point.


    You could also enhance it by making it inline with the title of the current article so the user knows that the sidebar applies to that article. Then as the user scrolls down to the next post, the sidebar will quickly slide down to that title.


    I also think you should make a post for each of your works, then have the sliding homepage gallery go to those links rather than directly to the YouTube video (user leaves page), or to the main gallery (view.html) page, which would just confuse users.


    Anyway, I know the site's in progress, but also focus on improving your inner pages. Maybe start developing some eye-catching graphics to make your pages more exciting, rather than just text. I know it's a minimal style, but eye-catching doesn't necessarily mean fancy or dramatic. Just something cool to break the redundancy of the text. Also try to incorporate more social engagement around the site as a whole, to promote sharing of your site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artizhay View Post
    Drop the links link too. It's generally not gonna help your SEO much to link to another site, so you're not doing yourself any favors by having a list of links on a main page of your site. Instead, a better way that would be good for you and the site you are linking to is to write a blog post about it. What's the other site, why are you posting about them, how can they benefit your readers, etc. Then drop a link in the post.
    Not entirely true on the linking out to other websites not helping your SEO... if you link out to relevant websites it does help, but not by having a lot of links on one page like a links page would be, but as individual blog posts like you described towards the end of your paragraph.

    But everything else is spot on, great feedback!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Pellas View Post
    Not entirely true on the linking out to other websites not helping your SEO... if you link out to relevant websites it does help, but not by having a lot of links on one page like a links page would be, but as individual blog posts like you described towards the end of your paragraph.

    But everything else is spot on, great feedback!
    Yeah I meant to mention that, as it was the whole reasoning for posting a whole blog post about the link/website rather than just linking to it on a link page, aside from the added content bonus. Though, with the Google updates this year, with even backlinks themselves losing slight value in favor of social signals, I imagine outgoing links are even less effective, but I'm not sure anyone has done a case study on this.

    Thanks!

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    Yeah, I don't think out going links has ever been a major factor but has helped slightly.

    It probably is too recent for anyone to have done a case study on it with the new ranking factors.
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    What I was referring to by the jQuery as a buzzword was that he didn't use jQuery effectively by the looks at his source code - that he just included it to say he did, thus a buzzword to use when making his site. jQuery is extremely important to add interactivity to a site .. if used correctly. When it's just thrown in there it seems like it was put in to just say you have it.

    As for the stealing code from demos it is illegal. You can get nabbed for copyright infringement in the US because it was created, shown as a demo before you purchase, and permission for you to use it whether personally or commercially was not given. Going back to the music analogy even with remixes, remakes, and sampled tracks you are still required to by law to get permission from the copyright owner (plus the publisher in music). Otherwise it is copyright infringement - and no, although it helps it does not have to be officially registered with the USPTO.

    As for the bad day and venting, you were right, I had a bad day and it came out much more harsh than it should. My apologies, but I still stick by what I said. It could use a lot of work. If you have real time to dedicate to actually learning and not stealing then sure go ahead and give it a real try. Though most artists focus on their craft rather than side things to promote and it would be most beneficial to hire a professional, in the same way I would want to hire a professional painter, carpenter, plumber, lawyer, manager, etc. That way it gets done the right way and you focus on your craft - simple enough.
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