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    Default A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    i paid 35 for mine which is the going price....if u look ull see that theres an input for ur guitar but u can use ANYTHING...like a studio mic or a keyboard.

    theres also a headphone jack(u need a small to big adapter)...i run that to a little boom box..anything with a auxiliary jack will work...price isnt the issue.

    when u run it to ur stereo..boombox..whatever, u are essentially bypassing ur soundcard....therefore enabling u to turn ur asio buffers all the way down and it will not pop or crackle..and u wont snap..get it?bad joke.


    anyways..
    ive ran atleast 7 highpowered vst's at once without a problem...on fruity loops u just have to go into the mixer and change the out put to go to ur guitar link.

    my opinion is if u dont even play the guitar u WILL benefit from this little thing..i promise u....am i rambling?






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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    Good suggestions for those on small budgets. Basically put, latency issues sometimes come from low budget/old interface's shortcomings. This is an interface it is meant for guitar input which is generally much harsher and less dynamic than the human voice. While it is completely possible to get a XLR to 1/4 plug and record from dynamic microphones (more on that later), the converters on a $35 interface like this aren't good at all, but if latency is bad this could solve it.

    Though it should be mentioned, if you run say a Neumann through your UAD Solo preamp then through this it will sound like a $5 RadioShack mic through it. I mean I doubt anyone will if they had that budget but it's important to note that for people with higher qualities this will not be in your best interest. The other thing to note is that being this is a guitar interface there is NO 48V aka PhantomPower which means condenser microphones (which you should really be using for vocals) are off limits without another device/preamp capable of it so you're limited to dynamics like the SM58 which aren't bad but more tailored to instruments than vocals.

    Another good solution for latency is just to buff up your RAM and play with FL Studio's settings in this case. Most modern day equipment handles latency pretty well anyway so it's mostly on software/computer.
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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    thanks for the input..one thing i must say is that ive never ran anything through the actual input other than my guitar being that i have a usb mic but i basically use it to connect the stereo's "soundcard" and bypass my computer's so there's no latency...i consider this, in a more logical sense, as an alternative to ur soundcard...

    in my experiences asio and the basic soundcard/speakers are not a good mix...too much popping....if u dont want popping then that comes at the expense of having a nasty delay which is no good for realtime recording....if u dont want a delay it starts popping...lose/lose.

    with this link i am able to set my buffer all the way down to 64 samples which is as low as possible...without it, with my soundcard the best i can get is maybe 512 samples...if u know anything about buffer rates then u know thats very impressive....seriously, i have ZERO delay and Zero POPPING...and i keep all my hi's and low's and everything in between.
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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    I know plenty about data buffer. General rule is get the samples as low as possible without clicks and pops during recording to minimize latency and jack it up during mixing stages for your processes.

    But again that link isn't meant for big time signal .. it only inputs at 16bit resolution so it's nothing to talk about and I'm sure the converters on a $33 unit aren't near to ideal for anyone recording or they would probably be better off with a cheap computer headset mic for the same price. It's a bright idea but pretty much impractical because 99% of people recording aren't going to downgrade a dynamic mic with a XLR to 1/8 jack to go into a default computer soundcard because that defeats the purpose of buying an expensive mic. At that point they might as well get a FastTrack interface or a higher quality USB mic like the Yeti Pro. The only way I see using that interface is for someone who maybe has a karaoke mic laying around.

    Unrelated to recording from the device, from what it sounds is that you are using the headphone jack of the unit you have as an output for speakers. That works but do make note that is a mono sound source. I don't know if you do any mixing but panning and such will be useless to you because you will not be able to notice being it is a compressed stereo-like output for you in one jack. True stereo will be in separate jacks. In the future, you honestly would be better off getting something like a FastTrack or a D/A (Digital to Analog) converter standalone that will convert the signal into at least two outputs so that you can use actual studio monitors. Alternatively, they now make some USB studio monitors .. I never heard them but I'm sure they are better than regular computer speakers, but no quite as good as regular monitors with proper D/A conversion.

    Just a thought that depends on how much of a hobby or profession music is for you, but will greatly increase your abilities. I realize people have budgets and that I am an audio snob at times (I do this for a living) .. but some things are just a waste of money compared to other places you can spend the same and do better off. When I started off I bought a lot (I mean a lot) of useless equipment. You buy cheap, you buy twice. Buying twice? You might as well of spent the money on the first go.
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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    i think we have a miscommunication....let me make sure were on the same page....i use that link for playback only...i record through a usb mic.

    being that im not using the guitar input jack theres no need to worry about it converting anything...the laptop does that and sends its signal through the link into the headphones or stereo...it has no EQ so it plays it as it receives it unadulterated..


    so r u saying that for 35 bucks, getting 64 sample rate, no clicking or popping, plus it sounds the same as your computer isnt a hell of a tip?? forget the price because sometimes ur paying for the name but hey...i think great value chocolate chip cookies are better than chips ahoy.i bet $100 u cant run the same plugins i run at 64sms....if so upload a video and send me ur paypal info.


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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    I'm not trying to compete for anything, but if you want Pro Tools HD will indeed murder a $35 D/A converter in terms of running Real Time Audio Suite plugins and VSTs and I will definitely take your money. I was simply stating that it's not smart to use the guitar jack as an input like you suggested in your first post. A 64 sample rate isn't hard when you're only using a D/A converter with one use at a time VSTs. Try running 16-64 track projects with at least one plugin working in realtime on each and tell me you can still run at a 64 sample rate.

    Regardless which jack you're using there certainly IS a conversion happening. The digital data in your computer needs to be converted to analog in order to hit the jack and release a compressed mono mix into your headphones or speakers. Compare that D/A conversion in a $35 unit which means two converters, packaging, shell, and design had to be way less than that in order to sell it and you're talking about maybe a $5 converter? In no way will that even compare to budgeted D/A-A/D converters like a FastTrack.

    I'm not trying to fight or disrespect, but to simply educate. I've been to school for audio recording theory and make a living off of this as well as design. You're first post implies that this $35 device is the holy grail and it is far from it. It's a neat find for a child or weekend warrior on an extremely small budget, sure. The average person can definitely afford a better alternative than this for another $50 or so and get better quality, a true stereo (two) outputs, a real mic input, and more durability than Behringer quality.
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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    i call this dow wowwing (sp?)..not fighting or being disrespectful between any of us...just 2 people talking and u know i cant really argue about what u use or about ur knowledge...i did say you can you use the guitar jack but its no need for that...and i can see where its misleading..i just wish we lived by eachother so i could bring it to ur house and let u see for yourself...i would never imply that this is better than studio grade hardware...but i do know this...i run numerous plugins at 64 samples...all lossless....and when i mix it down...i dont have to change the buffer rate.


    i havent offended u have i?? if so i apologize.
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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    and i do appreciate what ur putting out as well.
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    Default Re: A cheap way to get all the way the fuck around latency issues.

    No harm offenses or harm done, good to have an intelligent and thought provoking conversation about audio.
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